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    Hello all..I have just purchased my first AMC...a '69 Javelin / AMX clone which attracted me to this sight...I know nothing about this style of car....I am interested in selling it and was wondering if you would give your opinions on what it's worth may be. What's up with that decklid spoiler ...isn't that a rare bird for an early body style....'70 only spoiler?? I have placed it in the classified section of this website....Thanks for your input...I am thinking of parting it out ...but it still seems too solid....make a nice hotrod
    Last edited by rwn; 02-27-2007 at 11:22 PM.

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    I'll give you 1000.00 Canadian for it. It's not a real AMX.....they did not come with 6cyl.....it's a clone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by a440plus6
    I'll give you 1000.00 Canadian for it. It's not a real AMX.....they did not come with 6cyl.....it's a clone.
    No thanks....Duhh......Javelin with factory 6

    Double that poor offer..turn it into U.S. funds....and I'll think about it.....likely use it as a winter beater for work and back...will trade for Mopar
    Last edited by rwn; 02-27-2007 at 09:50 AM.

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    Welcome and thanks for stopping by.

    FYI: I've read most of the thread at your link and to answer some questions:

    The hood is a stock 68, 69 AMX hood. The grille is for a Javelin, not AMX (68,9 reproduction AMX grilles are available, Javelin grilles are not). The rear spoiler is a Donohue spoiler, first available on the '70 Donohue Javelin. Then continued from 71-74. Reproductions have been available for decades. The correct rear spoiler for the 1968, 69 Javelins is the Kaplan Wing Spoiler. The roof spoiler was available on Mod Package Javelins. Front parking light lenses look like they're from a 1970. The Turbine wheels were never available on a Javelin but were available on the '79, 80 Spirit AMX and GT. Your door panels look like 1970.

    6 banger...not numbers match..upgraded to 250 CU
    I'm assuming you mean a 258 CI?

    AMC raced the Javelin in the Trans-Am Series from 1968 to 1972. In five years the won two Trans-Am Championships (1970, 1971) and a Manufacturer's Cup (1968). (Mopar never even won a race).
    http://www.amx-perience.com/Trans-AmRacing.htm
    Original T/A film clips: http://www.amx-perience.com/1968JavelinBreedClip1.htm

    Early six cylinder Javelins are hard to find but with the rust issues I'd guess it'd bring $1500-$1800.00, but it's tough to say for sure.

    plus I filled about 1/2 my pickup box with extra parts
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Bad AMX
    Welcome and thanks for stopping by.

    FYI: I've read most of the thread at your link and to answer some questions:

    The hood is a stock 68, 69 AMX hood. The grille is for a Javelin, not AMX (68,9 reproduction AMX grilles are available, Javelin grilles are not). The rear spoiler is a Donohue spoiler, first available on the '70 Donohue Javelin. Then continued from 71-74. Reproductions have been available for decades. The correct rear spoiler for the 1968, 69 Javelins is the Kaplan Wing Spoiler. The roof spoiler was available on Mod Package Javelins. Front parking light lenses look like they're from a 1970. The Turbine wheels were never available on a Javelin but were available on the '79, 80 Spirit AMX and GT. Your door panels look like 1970.

    I'm assuming you mean a 258 CI?

    AMC raced the Javelin in the Trans-Am Series from 1968 to 1972. In five years the won two Trans-Am Championships (1970, 1971) and a Manufacturer's Cup (1968). (Mopar never even won a race).
    http://www.amx-perience.com/Trans-AmRacing.htm
    Original T/A film clips: http://www.amx-perience.com/1968JavelinBreedClip1.htm

    Early six cylinder Javelins are hard to find but with the rust issues I'd guess it'd bring $1500-$1800.00, but it's tough to say for sure.


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    Thanks for info BIG bad AMX...so there are plenty of repop parts for AMC's huh....you are lucky...so maybe this car ain't worth much in parts either...I just thought due to the age this car may have had some value......it surely would if it were a real Mopar...I think I'll slap it on eBay with a $1500 reserve and see what happens....I'm maybe starting to regret purchasing this car. The front clip is very nice...and with the rechromed bumpers...fellow paid over $700 for chroming over 10 years back....I think these cars just aren't appreciated as of yet..as I do like the size and style of it...I have a 340 4 spd sitting idle on the floor in my garage....this car would go like stink with that in there.....but no time for another project right now. Dude I bought this from said the spoiler, hood and some other parts had come off a '70 AMX

    Questions
    ...it has a honeycone style grill...so that is a Javelin part? Does this rear spoiler fit 71-4 body styles also..I would think not...but what do I know? How do I tell a 68 69 70 AMX hood apart? Are these fenders hard to get..these look pretty nice.....are these small bolt pattern wheels?...I know they interchange with Mopar...and appear to look like the dukes vector style wheels....Is that bad rust for these cars?....you should see what Mopar guys restore lol
    Most other parts I recieved were trim parts and 6 cyl engine parts...and ya I think he said it was a 258cid...I'm sure it will likely need brake and front end work..and who's knows what else...I have never driven it on the street.

    Thanks for your input

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    Don't regret buying the car! You got a smoking deal in parts alone. Just the hood (if mint) should bring $750-$1,000, though it'll cost nearly that to ship. Shipping sheet metal is getting really expensive and is a real pain.

    I prefer that the cars be saved and restored whenever possible but you need to decide what to do as far as selling it as-is or parting it out. Keep in mind the 3 year production total for the two-seat AMX is only 19,134. In 1968 alone they made over 55,000 Javelins. But go to an AMC show and you'll see far more two-seaters than Javelins. One reason being so many Javelins were parted out (especially 6-cyl) to save an AMX. The point being that even though they made far more Javelins than AMXs the early Javelins are getting hard to find. Whether or not this one can or will be saved with the rust probably isn't likely but you never know.

    And to clarify: actually there are not a lot of repro parts available for the AMX or Javelin. Unfortunately, we can't call Year One and get a parts catalog the size of a phone book like some other makes can. And many of the AMC repro parts made within the hobby are, quite honestly, not very good. It's mostly a treasure hunt outside of items like the fiberglass parts, which are fairly easy to reproduce inexpensively so we're fortunate in that department. In fact, you can buy an entire AMX fiberglass body, fenders, hood, decklid, bumpers and doors. But, steel body parts are preferred and are likely never to be reproduced as the original dies were destroyed years ago. So those that survive in good condition are desirable items. Do a search on ebay for AMX parts and you'll get an idea of what I mean. NOS parts will bring unreal money but some excellent used parts will surprise you too.

    To answer some of your other questions:

    The rear spoiler will fit 68-74 AMXs and Javelins (however, a 71-74 spoiler will need a slight trimming on the outside lower corners to clear the 68-70 AMX rear quarter extensions) - the decklids are the same too. Your doors are the same as the AMX, but the door glass is Javelin only.

    Interior pieces such as carpet, seat buns, seat upholstery and door panels are available reproduction. '68 headliners are too, not so for 69, 70. Dash, consoles, steering wheels, seats, gauges, knobs, sill plates and most other items are not.

    Headlight doors (the headlight surrounds) for any year are not. Tail lights and housings are not, chrome/stainless trim is not. Steel bumpers are not. Windshields are, all other glass is not.

    The exterior of the 1968 and 1969 AMXs and Javelins were unchanged. There is no difference outside of a few options like colors and add-ons. The interiors of the '69s were 'upgraded'. The drivelines are the same too. This is why the majority of repro parts are for the 68, 69. The 1968 and 1969 hoods have the hood blisters, the 1970 hood has the Ram-Air scoop on it and it is a little longer than the '68,9. Without going into a lot of specifics (which are listed here you'll see the Ram-Air in the pic too) 1970 saw a lot of changes and are a one year only (except for the engines which changes continued until the end of production). There weren't enough 1970 AMXs and Javelins made to justify reproducing the majority of parts. Want a NOS '70 AMX grille? Cough up at least a few thousand $$, if you can find one. But 68, 69 AMX grilles are available repro. 70 AMX and 68-74 Javelin grilles are not. The honeycomb style grille sounds like a Javelin AMX grille covering, post a pic please.

    AMC uses the same wheel bolt pattern as Mopar and Ford. At the time the Dukes aired we called the wheels on the General Lee 'Hurricanes' (though I don't remember exactly where we got that name) Vectors I haven't heard of. They look very similar but I think the AMC wheel has a larger 'step' in it.

    The 258 engine parts aren't worth much at all. The trim pieces could be but it depends on what they are.

    I realize dropping a Mopar driveline in it may sound appealing since those are what you know and is available to you but honestly it's not worth doing and would make the car harder to sell.


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    Thanks again for your input....I do appreciate your knowledge with these cars.....if I was to put this car on eBay...what would you suggest I put for reserve amount on it.....here is a pic of the grill...I thought it was a honeycone style ...but appears as they are square hole...don't see any damage
    Last edited by rwn; 03-08-2007 at 01:01 AM.

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    Here are some pics of my 70 AMX390 waiting in line for resto plus some other stuff and the url to my website.....beware if you are on dial up.....lots of flash sigs.
    http://s122.photobucket.com/albums/o...20AMC%20Stuff/

    http://www.concourscreations.com/for...ex.php?act=idx

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    Quote Originally Posted by a440plus6
    Here are some pics of my 70 AMX390 waiting in line for resto plus some other stuff and the url to my website.....beware if you are on dial up.....lots of flash sigs.
    http://s122.photobucket.com/albums/o...20AMC%20Stuff/

    http://www.concourscreations.com/for...ex.php?act=idx
    That is some pile(s) of parts you have......I think my Javelin may become a parts car...I certainly see the difference with the '70 now..I was hoping to make at least a grand for a flip.....looks like a 2000 dollar car to me...I have done some searching on eBay for AMC parts....seems like a small market......I usually deal with Mopar stuff......and people fight over the parts.....I sold a set of 71-74 A body buckets recently...ok condition..$660 final value...looks like my Javelin may have a set of '86 Daytona buckets installed....

    What parts do you think may be desireable off this Javelin...front clip, trim headlamp extensions and bezels, grill. bumpers are quite nice...hood looks mint with no previous repairs...what could these parts be worth???..plus the work involved to remove these parts...get them on eBay..get paid and then ship them becomes a whole lotta work...if I got a grand for the hood and spoiler it may be worth trying...still a shame to wreck a restorable car...I would end up junking the unibody likely....Decisions
    Last edited by rwn; 03-08-2007 at 01:03 AM.

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    LOL, dunno for sure cause I'm a Mopar guy too.....on a fast AMC learning curve. Go to my website and you'll see. I restore Mopar cars and parts for a living.
    Regards
    Jerry

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